Is there any way to see which HIT was rejected?

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  1. mturkuser

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    I recently saw that a HIT of mine had been rejected. I'm pretty annoyed about this, as I feel like I performed very well and even went beyond for all of the HITS I did, so I've basically been cheated out of money owed to me. Is there any way I can see which HIT was rejected and how much it was worth? If it was one of the article ones, I want to search Google and see if they used my rejected article, because if so I'll open a dispute with Amazon.
     
  2. lightdark

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    You need to go to the Dashboard. Then click on the day for detail. If you have more than one page worth of HITs, choose 'Rejected HITs' from the 'Show:' dropdown menu on the upper left, then click 'Go'.

    See if the requester gave you a reason for the rejection. If you don't agree, your only option is to contact the requester directly. The most they could do if they made a mistake is, send you money via a bonus, although you would still have the rejection on your account.

    Please use Turkopticon to protect yourself a little bit. Also there's a lot of information to look though on this forum; try the advanced search.
     
  3. mturkuser

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    Thanks for the information lightdark. Here is the article I wrote that was rejected:

    John Fluevog Shoes are original and stylish

    Are you artistic? Original? An individual? Do you want shoes that reflect these traits? Look no further than John Fluevog shoes. These shoes are a great way to show off your unique sense of fashion and style. Their wild colors will match even the most artistic handbags, and they come in all different colors and designs. They are high quality and not made in China. They are available for both men and women who want to show off their sexy, cool, original sense of fashion. These attention getters are great for parties and clubs, and can be purchased online. Squidoo users agree that these shoes are wonderful. One user writes, “I love shoes and I have to say that these are pretty cute!” Another says, “Lots of neat stuff here,” while a third says, “Very cool shoes, and good job on again showcasing a quality product. 5 stars!!”

    So, go buy some John Fluevog shoes. They come in all different styles for all different people and budgets, so you're sure to find a pair that's perfect for you. John Fluevog can be purchased on Amazon, eBay, and other online websites. Buy your first pair today and experience it for yourself! Once you go Fluevog, you won't go back.



    I can't imagine why it was rejected. It met all the requirements. The statement given is clearly a catch-all for all of the rejected HITS. It says that your HIT would be rejected if there weren't enough words (mine had enough words) and if it were blank (which mine clearly wasn't).

    So there's no way to open up a dispute with Amazon? No way to protect ourselves? So shady requesters can get hours upon hours of free labor then just decide to reject the HITS at their leisure, not only stealing the workers' time but also decreasing the pool of available HITS for them in the future? That doesn't really seem like a positive thing...
     
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  4. lightdark

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    Who is the requester that rejected you?

    I see you have more than 200 words. The two things I wouldn't do in an article:
    -Quote other people comments
    -Mention where the product can be bought

    Most articles must be 100% original(by you), unless it's a re-write. You can use the ideas of others, but they have to be in your own words(unless the requester says otherwise).

    These types of articles are most likely going to point to other online store, besides the ones you mentioned. To point people towards other online avenues would defeat the whole purpose for the article.
     
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  5. mturkuser

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    The requester is listed as "T0dd Dick3rs0n." (0=o, 3=e) To be fair to him, he did approve the two other articles I wrote for him, so I don't think he's gaming the system like the (hypothetical) requesters I mentioned above could.

    I took the originality requirement to mean that you weren't allowed to plagiarize, not that it was forbidden to showcase positive comments which would encourage potential buyers. I do see what you're saying about mentioning where the product could be bought... I hadn't really thought about what the article's purpose was when writing it.
     
  6. lightdark

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    I think all his HITs are completely automatic approval/rejection. If he automatically removed all quoted sections alone, it would bring the article word count down too low.

    You never know what your going to get with him. The 4 cent ones sometimes say great, and others warn you about your work, even if all work you gave was about equal!
     
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    The most frustrating thing about this is not that he took my money but that I'm unqualified for the majority of HITS because my approval rating is only 80% now. (Only 4 of my HITS have been approved so far.)
     
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    Just imagine, if that was the first hit you did, and first approved!

    Good thing is, you should only be increasing your approval rate from this point on. :)
     
  9. ergo

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    Todd Dickerson doesn't approve or reject writing HITs. He provides a website interface for others to post writing/rewriting related work, and the individual using it chooses what to do. Unfortunately, he does not make this clear in the HITs, and neither does he provide a way to get in touch with the person who reviewed your work. Any queries sent to him seem to disappear into a black hole, or at least all of mine have.

    Another requester who has begun letting others post HITs but does not make this clear is Dolores Labs, via their Crowdflower.com service. In the past, Dolores has responded to queries though, so if you do one of their HITs and run into problems, you may get somewhere by contacting them. I don't know if they pass on the feedback to the one using the service or if they mediate on their behalf. I need to get some clarification from them on that.

    Smartsheet Clients is a catch-all account too, but at least they provide a Client ID with their HITs and I believe they direct communication to whomever it needs to go to.

    Amazon isn't very useful for resolving disputes. They'll only take action in clear cases of fraud or rules violations.

    Generally I would recommend to any new turker: stay away from complicated HITs, especially writing where the judgment criteria will be subjective. Yes, they may pay more, but it's not worth the risk. Do a bunch of quick, cheap HITs that approve quickly and reliably (try a couple from one group and wait to see what happens), until you have at least a couple thousand under your belt. Then you can branch out into bigger HITs, where the reward is greater but risk is higher.

    Overall, most requesters approve what you submit if the work was done sincerely with good effort and with keeping the instructions in mind. There are bad eggs out there, but as LightDark suggested you can use the Turkopticon extension for Firefox to keep on top of those, and to help others do the same. And of course, sharing our experiences here in the forum is an excellent way to get or give feedback that could benefit other workers.
     
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  10. trueakitalover

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    I totally agree with Ergo with the stay away from the complicated HITS. I have over 10,000 completed and I only have 18 rejected so far. 99.8%. I feel like this when I was new I wasn't sure about anything. I had a few good ones and a few spammers when I got that 18 against me. I will test the water's with a new requester and then if I see they are more than fair I work with them more.

    I would say do loads of the cheaper HITS. They are easy and not as complicated. They rack up fairly fast.

    I do the Todd Dickerson ones and have noticed little increases in my bonus amounts if they are from him I really wouldn't know. I really don't have time to go and check every single detail like that.

    I do suggest that you don't try the harder HITS until you get used to it and get to know which requester's are around more than the other ones. I like to stay safe rather than sorry also.
     

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